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THE GREAT WALL

oiram
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WHAT AN AGE WE ARE ALIVE IN. WE NOW ARE IN A TIME WHERE A MOVIE CAN BE DESCRIBED AS WHITEWASHED EVEN WHEN A CHARACTER IS TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE WHITE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FILM, THE GREAT WALL, SUFFERED FROM. AS I HAVE SAID EARLIER ON THESE FORUMS, THE SO-CALLED “WHITEWASHING” IS NOT THE ISSUE WITH THE MOVIE, AND SEEING WHAT THE REVIEWS HAVE TO SAY, MANY AGREE WITH THAT.

IN THIS MOVIE, WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE KOMODO DRAGONS, AS PEOPLE ARE NOT BUYING THEM EVEN IF THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FANTASY. IGNORING CGI ISSUES, HOWEVER, THE SET UP ACTUALLY GOT PEOPLE SUCKED IN, AND MANY WERE THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE ALRIGHT BASED ON THE FIRST ACT. THEN THE REST OF THE MOVIE CAME, AND THINGS GOT BORING VERY FAST, BECAUSE THE CHARACTERS WERE NOT STRONG ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT THEM. NOT EVEN THE TWO TIME OSCAR AND TWO TIME RAZZIE NOMINATED WILLEM DAFOE COULD BE CARED ABOUT, AND IS PRETTY MUCH WASTED, IN FACT. THE LAST ACT WAS SO CHOPPY THAT IT FELT LIKE CHARACTERS JUST TELEPORTED TO THE PLACES THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE, AND THE WRITING GOT REALLY BAD TOWARDS THE END.

SO BASICALLY, THE GREAT WALL STARTED OFF WITH PROMISE, AND THEY EXECUTED IT LIKE HOW PEOPLE NORMALLY EXECUTE THINGS, KILLING IT. BUT WHAT ARE YOUR GUYS’ THOUGHTS? IS MATT DAMON WORTHY OF A WORST ACTOR NOD (I MEAN, HIS BUDDY, BEN AFFLECK, HAS BEEN NOMINATED A BUNCH OF TIMES NOW, SO WHY NOT MATT DAMON)?
Worst Picture
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Actor
Jamie Dornan, Samuel Hunt, John Travolta, Mark Walhberg, Bruce Willis
Worst Actress
Taraji P. Henson, Dakota Johnson, Melissa McCarthy, Helen Mirren, Lindsay Pulsipher
Worst Supporting Actor
James Franco, Will Graham, Eric Johnson, John Malkovich, Kevin Spacey
Worst Supporting Actress
Elizabeth Banks, Tatum O’Neal, Kelly Preston, Elisabeth Shue, Jordin Sparks
Worst Screen Combo
Any combination of two characters, two sex toys (including ice cream), or two sexual positions, Samuel Hunt and either Will Graham, Merritt Patterson, or David Sakurai, Melissa McCarthy and any puppet who interacts with her or solicits sex from her, Lindsay Pulsipher and either Liam Matthews, Makenzie Moss, or Andrew W. Walker, Mark Wahlberg and Iko Uwais
Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, The Happytime Murders, Super Troopers 2, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Director
Kevin Connolly, Harold Cronk, James Foley, Brian Henson, Tyler Perry
Worst Screenplay
Fifty Shades Freed, God Bless the Broken Road, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Show Dogs
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R.T. (35-40%): "For a Yimou Zhang film featuring Matt Damon and Willem Dafoe battling ancient monsters, the film is neither as exciting nor as entertainingly bonkers as one might hope."

Richard Roeper's review.

Peter Travers' review.

Jeremy Jahns' video review.

WHAT THE FLICK?!'s video review.
oiram wrote
WE NOW ARE IN A TIME WHERE MOVIE CAN BE DESCRIBED AS WHITEWASHED EVEN WHEN A CHARACTER IS TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE WHITE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FILM, THE GREAT WALL, SUFFERED FROM.
People are confusing "whitewashing" with "white savior narrative."
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oiram
I know. I was surprised when I talked to one guy some time ago about how he thought it was whitewashing, and I said "I'm pretty sure Matt Damon is playing a foreigner who came into China."
Worst Picture
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Actor
Jamie Dornan, Samuel Hunt, John Travolta, Mark Walhberg, Bruce Willis
Worst Actress
Taraji P. Henson, Dakota Johnson, Melissa McCarthy, Helen Mirren, Lindsay Pulsipher
Worst Supporting Actor
James Franco, Will Graham, Eric Johnson, John Malkovich, Kevin Spacey
Worst Supporting Actress
Elizabeth Banks, Tatum O’Neal, Kelly Preston, Elisabeth Shue, Jordin Sparks
Worst Screen Combo
Any combination of two characters, two sex toys (including ice cream), or two sexual positions, Samuel Hunt and either Will Graham, Merritt Patterson, or David Sakurai, Melissa McCarthy and any puppet who interacts with her or solicits sex from her, Lindsay Pulsipher and either Liam Matthews, Makenzie Moss, or Andrew W. Walker, Mark Wahlberg and Iko Uwais
Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, The Happytime Murders, Super Troopers 2, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Director
Kevin Connolly, Harold Cronk, James Foley, Brian Henson, Tyler Perry
Worst Screenplay
Fifty Shades Freed, God Bless the Broken Road, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Show Dogs
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Chris Bumbray's review.
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Vheid
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It also follows the recent trend of Hollywood pandering to China...
the list of every 2018 release so far

Lowest rated movies on RT (with a B.O. Mojo-release date):
1. Death of a Nation (0% avr. 1.9)
2. Gotti (0% avr. 2.2)
3. Ya Veremos (0% avr. 5)
4. Slender Man (9% avr. 3.4)
5. Krystal (10% avr. 3.9)
6. Billionaire Boy’s Club (10% avr. 4.1)
7. Kings (11% avr. 3.4)
8. Race 3 (11% avr. 3.8)
9. Fifty Shades Freed (13% avr. 3.1)
10. Peppermint (13% avr. 3.6)
11. God’s Not Dead: A Light in Darkness (13% avr. 3.2)
12. God Bless the Broken Road (13% avr. 4.1)
13. Action Point (14% avr. 3.5)
14. Truth or Dare (14% avr. 3.6)
15. Winchester (14% avr. 4)
16. Show Dogs (17% avr. 3.2)
17. Death Wish (18% avr. 3.9)
18. The Darkest Minds (18% avr. 4.2)

Lowest rated Netflix-movies on RT:
1. Father of the Year (0% avr. 2.3)
2. Game Over, Man! (8% avr. 3.6)
3. The Open House (11% avr. 3)
4. The Kissing Booth (13% avr. 3.7)
5. Brain on Fire (13% avr 4.5)
6. Mute (15% avr. 4.1)
7. The Titan (16 % avr. 3.8)
8. The Cloverfield Paradox (17% avr. 4.5)
9. How It Ends  (17% avr. 2.8)
10. The Outsider (19% avr. 3.7)
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oiram
That's true too. That seemed to have backfired a tad, though.
Worst Picture
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Actor
Jamie Dornan, Samuel Hunt, John Travolta, Mark Walhberg, Bruce Willis
Worst Actress
Taraji P. Henson, Dakota Johnson, Melissa McCarthy, Helen Mirren, Lindsay Pulsipher
Worst Supporting Actor
James Franco, Will Graham, Eric Johnson, John Malkovich, Kevin Spacey
Worst Supporting Actress
Elizabeth Banks, Tatum O’Neal, Kelly Preston, Elisabeth Shue, Jordin Sparks
Worst Screen Combo
Any combination of two characters, two sex toys (including ice cream), or two sexual positions, Samuel Hunt and either Will Graham, Merritt Patterson, or David Sakurai, Melissa McCarthy and any puppet who interacts with her or solicits sex from her, Lindsay Pulsipher and either Liam Matthews, Makenzie Moss, or Andrew W. Walker, Mark Wahlberg and Iko Uwais
Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, The Happytime Murders, Super Troopers 2, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Director
Kevin Connolly, Harold Cronk, James Foley, Brian Henson, Tyler Perry
Worst Screenplay
Fifty Shades Freed, God Bless the Broken Road, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Show Dogs
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Vheid
I recently read an article that maybe this is more China trying to pander to the U.S. (and the rest of the world) because it is a movie with a Chinese crew and mostly chinese actors.. They apparently made it in English and added Matt Damon only to make it more appealing for audiences outside China...

Seeing that the Chinese film industry is now booming it's no wonder that they are now trying to expand outside of China... I feel we really need to keep an eye out for Rock Dog this weekend which seems to be a Chinese animated movie getting a wide release in the U.S. and following this same trend....
the list of every 2018 release so far

Lowest rated movies on RT (with a B.O. Mojo-release date):
1. Death of a Nation (0% avr. 1.9)
2. Gotti (0% avr. 2.2)
3. Ya Veremos (0% avr. 5)
4. Slender Man (9% avr. 3.4)
5. Krystal (10% avr. 3.9)
6. Billionaire Boy’s Club (10% avr. 4.1)
7. Kings (11% avr. 3.4)
8. Race 3 (11% avr. 3.8)
9. Fifty Shades Freed (13% avr. 3.1)
10. Peppermint (13% avr. 3.6)
11. God’s Not Dead: A Light in Darkness (13% avr. 3.2)
12. God Bless the Broken Road (13% avr. 4.1)
13. Action Point (14% avr. 3.5)
14. Truth or Dare (14% avr. 3.6)
15. Winchester (14% avr. 4)
16. Show Dogs (17% avr. 3.2)
17. Death Wish (18% avr. 3.9)
18. The Darkest Minds (18% avr. 4.2)

Lowest rated Netflix-movies on RT:
1. Father of the Year (0% avr. 2.3)
2. Game Over, Man! (8% avr. 3.6)
3. The Open House (11% avr. 3)
4. The Kissing Booth (13% avr. 3.7)
5. Brain on Fire (13% avr 4.5)
6. Mute (15% avr. 4.1)
7. The Titan (16 % avr. 3.8)
8. The Cloverfield Paradox (17% avr. 4.5)
9. How It Ends  (17% avr. 2.8)
10. The Outsider (19% avr. 3.7)
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oiram
I'm not too surprised. If you find the article again, may I see it?
Worst Picture
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Actor
Jamie Dornan, Samuel Hunt, John Travolta, Mark Walhberg, Bruce Willis
Worst Actress
Taraji P. Henson, Dakota Johnson, Melissa McCarthy, Helen Mirren, Lindsay Pulsipher
Worst Supporting Actor
James Franco, Will Graham, Eric Johnson, John Malkovich, Kevin Spacey
Worst Supporting Actress
Elizabeth Banks, Tatum O’Neal, Kelly Preston, Elisabeth Shue, Jordin Sparks
Worst Screen Combo
Any combination of two characters, two sex toys (including ice cream), or two sexual positions, Samuel Hunt and either Will Graham, Merritt Patterson, or David Sakurai, Melissa McCarthy and any puppet who interacts with her or solicits sex from her, Lindsay Pulsipher and either Liam Matthews, Makenzie Moss, or Andrew W. Walker, Mark Wahlberg and Iko Uwais
Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Death Wish, Fifty Shades Freed, The Happytime Murders, Super Troopers 2, Unbroken: Path to Redemption
Worst Director
Kevin Connolly, Harold Cronk, James Foley, Brian Henson, Tyler Perry
Worst Screenplay
Fifty Shades Freed, God Bless the Broken Road, Gotti, The Happytime Murders, Show Dogs
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Vheid
If i find it but it has been a while back and i dont remember where i read it...
the list of every 2018 release so far

Lowest rated movies on RT (with a B.O. Mojo-release date):
1. Death of a Nation (0% avr. 1.9)
2. Gotti (0% avr. 2.2)
3. Ya Veremos (0% avr. 5)
4. Slender Man (9% avr. 3.4)
5. Krystal (10% avr. 3.9)
6. Billionaire Boy’s Club (10% avr. 4.1)
7. Kings (11% avr. 3.4)
8. Race 3 (11% avr. 3.8)
9. Fifty Shades Freed (13% avr. 3.1)
10. Peppermint (13% avr. 3.6)
11. God’s Not Dead: A Light in Darkness (13% avr. 3.2)
12. God Bless the Broken Road (13% avr. 4.1)
13. Action Point (14% avr. 3.5)
14. Truth or Dare (14% avr. 3.6)
15. Winchester (14% avr. 4)
16. Show Dogs (17% avr. 3.2)
17. Death Wish (18% avr. 3.9)
18. The Darkest Minds (18% avr. 4.2)

Lowest rated Netflix-movies on RT:
1. Father of the Year (0% avr. 2.3)
2. Game Over, Man! (8% avr. 3.6)
3. The Open House (11% avr. 3)
4. The Kissing Booth (13% avr. 3.7)
5. Brain on Fire (13% avr 4.5)
6. Mute (15% avr. 4.1)
7. The Titan (16 % avr. 3.8)
8. The Cloverfield Paradox (17% avr. 4.5)
9. How It Ends  (17% avr. 2.8)
10. The Outsider (19% avr. 3.7)
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Tamara Chambers' video review.
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Gabriel Bahamondes (2/6): "It's curious to see Matt Damon immersed in a project with these characteristics, without a solid script and with such an absurd thematic background. This is a lavish movie with a great visual impact that drags every time its characters open their mouths."
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Diego Muñoz (3/5): "It's never wrong to inject a little talent to a blockbuster. Someone like Zhang Yimou can find beauty in even the worst of the Hollywood excesses."
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Mitch Hansch's review.
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Vheid
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The Great Walls box office numbers seem to have halted any big Chinese-American co-productions for the time being....
the list of every 2018 release so far

Lowest rated movies on RT (with a B.O. Mojo-release date):
1. Death of a Nation (0% avr. 1.9)
2. Gotti (0% avr. 2.2)
3. Ya Veremos (0% avr. 5)
4. Slender Man (9% avr. 3.4)
5. Krystal (10% avr. 3.9)
6. Billionaire Boy’s Club (10% avr. 4.1)
7. Kings (11% avr. 3.4)
8. Race 3 (11% avr. 3.8)
9. Fifty Shades Freed (13% avr. 3.1)
10. Peppermint (13% avr. 3.6)
11. God’s Not Dead: A Light in Darkness (13% avr. 3.2)
12. God Bless the Broken Road (13% avr. 4.1)
13. Action Point (14% avr. 3.5)
14. Truth or Dare (14% avr. 3.6)
15. Winchester (14% avr. 4)
16. Show Dogs (17% avr. 3.2)
17. Death Wish (18% avr. 3.9)
18. The Darkest Minds (18% avr. 4.2)

Lowest rated Netflix-movies on RT:
1. Father of the Year (0% avr. 2.3)
2. Game Over, Man! (8% avr. 3.6)
3. The Open House (11% avr. 3)
4. The Kissing Booth (13% avr. 3.7)
5. Brain on Fire (13% avr 4.5)
6. Mute (15% avr. 4.1)
7. The Titan (16 % avr. 3.8)
8. The Cloverfield Paradox (17% avr. 4.5)
9. How It Ends  (17% avr. 2.8)
10. The Outsider (19% avr. 3.7)
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It sounds a little exagerated. Just don't make co-productions with a budget as high as this one.
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Vheid
Vits wrote
It sounds a little exagerated. Just don't make co-productions with a budget as high as this one.
But that kind of goes for most Hollywood tentpoles now a days...
the list of every 2018 release so far

Lowest rated movies on RT (with a B.O. Mojo-release date):
1. Death of a Nation (0% avr. 1.9)
2. Gotti (0% avr. 2.2)
3. Ya Veremos (0% avr. 5)
4. Slender Man (9% avr. 3.4)
5. Krystal (10% avr. 3.9)
6. Billionaire Boy’s Club (10% avr. 4.1)
7. Kings (11% avr. 3.4)
8. Race 3 (11% avr. 3.8)
9. Fifty Shades Freed (13% avr. 3.1)
10. Peppermint (13% avr. 3.6)
11. God’s Not Dead: A Light in Darkness (13% avr. 3.2)
12. God Bless the Broken Road (13% avr. 4.1)
13. Action Point (14% avr. 3.5)
14. Truth or Dare (14% avr. 3.6)
15. Winchester (14% avr. 4)
16. Show Dogs (17% avr. 3.2)
17. Death Wish (18% avr. 3.9)
18. The Darkest Minds (18% avr. 4.2)

Lowest rated Netflix-movies on RT:
1. Father of the Year (0% avr. 2.3)
2. Game Over, Man! (8% avr. 3.6)
3. The Open House (11% avr. 3)
4. The Kissing Booth (13% avr. 3.7)
5. Brain on Fire (13% avr 4.5)
6. Mute (15% avr. 4.1)
7. The Titan (16 % avr. 3.8)
8. The Cloverfield Paradox (17% avr. 4.5)
9. How It Ends  (17% avr. 2.8)
10. The Outsider (19% avr. 3.7)
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I just saw it. For your consideration: Worst Screen Couple for Matt Damon and Tian Jing. Oh, and maybe Worst Actor for Damon. But not Worst Picture.
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Everything wrong with this movie.
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Armond White's review.
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